notch: becomes a billionaire, spends the rest of his life being a pathetic racist incel online
toady one: casually adds gay and trans dwarves to dwarf fortress and bans anyone who complains about it
it's insanely funny to me when redditor ass gamer nerds try to come at toady about how having dwarves not follow strict gender roles is "unrealistic" as if like, a world that involves snakemen popping out of caves and eating people is somehow grounded in realism
fondly recalling when the rimworld dev made an insane probability model about the likelihood of in game men and women being attracted to each other and when people called him out on how weird and ideological it was he posted about how he based all the statistics on real world psychological surveys
this remains hands down one of the best critical essays of a game design i have ever read
"...the problem with this model isn’t that it’s flawed. It’s that it’s flawed in a way that perfectly mirrors existing sexist expectations of romance, with such specificity that it is hard to view it as unintentional . And if it is unintentional it is on us to ask what this system is trying to show. What are the possibilities that it allows? What is RimWorld setting as the boundaries of possibility?"
@dankwraith Did he add trans dwarves? I've been manually modding them in for a while. He added gay dwarves forever ago, anyone complaining about it now has really not been paying attention, there have always been gay dwarves and gay everything else, too.
@dankwraith Actually there have been times where I literally had to add trans dwarves--well, trans versions of the modded lionfolk race I play as--because I set the homosexuality rate way too high and thought I could be clever by offsetting it with a number of things that never worked, so by the time you got to the year 250, hardly any of them would be left and instead of like 75% of them being gay it would be like 100%, there would only be a handful left. Still, it's a problem I wanted to have.
dude no way, do you have any source for that? toady one is cool as fuck if so
@eletious i can try to hunt down the twitter thread i saw a while ago but no promises
@dankwraith Didn't realize it was on Twitter, that's tight. Of course I was able to find a suuuuuper shitty Reddit thread about it
@eletious that is very unsurprising lol
This was what I was aware of:
@dankwraith dwarves only have one gender: drunk
@dankwraith i simply refuse any canon in which all dwarves dont have beards, regardless of gender
@dankwraith oop i remember that. it was toooo much
homophobia, sexism, other assorted gamer opinions
@dankwraith i still find it almost funny how he seemingly couldn't control himself and just *had* to get mad and yell about how "all bi men he knows turned out gay"
im not even sure how he accused the writer of misrepresenting his intent when he pretty much explicitly stated that his intent was the stuff written in the article.
@dankwraith ah yes, psychology surveys, objective measurements of reality completely unaffected by bias or sample groups
@dankwraith That is honestly pretty cool! Rimworld looks like such an amazing game!
@dankwraith fuck that's bleak
@dankwraith I enjoyed this! Good takes and a nice level of reporting and detail
@dankwraith wow, cool read so far
@dankwraith i play arma with the woman who wrote this!! shes so fucking cool
@dreamsofcheese damn that whips ass
I remember the author getting harassed for this...
@VioletHaze i am absolutely shocked that gamers and redditors were offended by level headed criticism. this is unprecendented
@dankwraith I yikesed my way through those code segements and the summary at the end, oof.
thankfully I noticed the date was from 2016 afterwards, but...
...I bet it hasn't changed in those years either, given the dev's frankly kinda childish response on reddit of all places. Ugh. D: VERY yikesy.
@dankwraith I love that game but I consider the romance mod that fixes this to be pretty much essential lol
@dankwraith Using survey data as a basis for reality is a bad idea always
@dankwraith I'm surprised tbh because I had assumed from the title it was a gay sex game like cmon it's called RIMworld
@dankwraith did that ever get fixed?
@radicalgraffiti no because, well, to fix something, you have to see it as a problem,
@dankwraith toady is pretty great, but also should really get some more people to moderate his forums. i would recommend against reading bay12 forums politics threads.
@dankwraith strangely enough notch used to have good views on gender (https://notch.tumblr.com/post/28188312756/gender-in-minecraft), but ditched them after some point
@if i think going from being a bedroom developer to a billionaire in a matter of a few short years probably just destroys your brain honestly
@dankwraith hell yea
@dankwraith WAIT, Trans dwarves are out already?! Last I heard he was still workign on that!
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